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zoeyk

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 12:03 AM

5)L9

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 12:19 AM

GAME 5

1) K10, M10
2) G10, O10,
3) K12, N10
4) P10, N11
5) L9, M8

You will likely make quick work of me in this game.

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 12:31 AM

6) O12*

if J11*, then M10*
or
if M10, then K11


Message was edited by: zoeyk at May 3, 2010 6:34 PM


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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 12:39 AM

GAME 5

1) K10, M10
2) G10, O10,
3) K12, N10
4) P10, N11
5) L9, M8
6) O12*, M10
7) K11, J11*

up2ng

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 10:27 AM

GAME #1
J4, O10
L8*, O7*

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Some of the diagrams on the first page have been updated. The new games should be posted shortly.

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 10:48 AM

Diagrams updated. There are currently four open threads of analysis: Game #1, Game #3 (ALT), Game #4 and Game #5.

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 4:23 PM

up2ng, perfectly updated diagrams, thanks.

GAME 1
8) L8, O7
9) O9 (up2ng to move)

Good luck!


GAME 3 (ALT)

4) O10, M10
5) L7* (zoeyk to move)


GAME 4 I need to spend some time on.

Rollie

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 9:51 PM

Game 1:

8. L8*, O7*
9. O9, M5

There was another option for you on that 9th move, but we'll come back to that if needed.

rollietesh

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 4, 2010, 11:06 PM

up2ng,

>>There was another option for you on that 9th move, but we'll come back to that if needed.<<

Yikes, you are right, and this is a good example of rust. I lost the thread of the position and completely missed that I should have played 9) O11 !

I'm hoping that you are going to tell me that you had something there planned for black, especially after you suggested that I should have played 8) O7 earlier, but it looks like white is definitely winning had I played 9) O11. Please tell me I'm wrong

As you know, usually when a person loses the thread they lose the game. Therefore, 'Pente Justice' says that my 9) O9 will lose. That said, I still don't see the clear breakthrough for you, so I'll play on. At this point I'm likely just missing the win here for you that I am still missing:

GAME 1

9. O9, M5
10. N6

Rollie

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 5, 2010, 2:43 AM

in game 1, white had the easiest win in my opinion to go 5) M8

and later when white ends up making a split 3 on the 9 line at N9, blacks best defense will be to Not capture horizontally.

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 5, 2010, 2:55 AM

in Game 5,
1) K10, M10
2) G10, O10,
3) K12, N10
4) P10, N11
5) L9, M8
6) O12*, M10
7) K11, J11*

8) K10, Rollie to move

if K13, then 9) J10,
or
if K9, then 9) K13, K14 ... 10) J12,

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rollietesh

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 5, 2010, 5:12 AM

zoeyk,

In GAME 1, is your line that you feel is easiest, something like 5) M8, K5 6) J4, M11* 7) O9, followed by N9 ? That does look good.

In the other line, if 9) O11 does work, then doesn't that win just as easily?


GAME 4

(I guess I'll try something old-school-like

1) K10, N8
2) N12, P10


GAME 5

I'll go ahead and resign this one. A total crush of that idea Good job.

Up2ng, when you update the diagram, can you please add to the end of the caption something like -- "zoeyk then efficiently refutes Rollie's experiment."


GAME 6

(If you are up for it, I'd like to try one other wild experiment:

1) K10, N10


One last thing, I wonder if we could start the next diagram on a different page? I notice that when too many diagrams get on a page then not all load. If you do this, please add an end line in captions -- DIAGRAMS CONTINUE ON PAGE 4.

Thanks,
Rollie

up2ng

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 5, 2010, 8:14 AM

Yes, when I started down this keystone attack road I thought I had taken a good look at 5. M8 and found some way to at least make it complicated, but looking at it again now it does seem like a pretty clear win for white.

And yes, when I was suggesting that covering up your pair was better on move 8, I had not yet looked at the possibility of 9. O11. Only after you had played the capture and I went back to looking at it did I see that 9. O11 appeared strong, and was hoping you would not see it! -- still a bit complicated but I'm seeing that as a win for white. This position we're in now might still be a win for white anyway so that shows you how strong the opening was, in particular the 3rd move.

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 5, 2010, 8:36 PM

here is how i think game 5 would had gone;

GAME #5




in game 4 i predict the following;

GAME #4




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rollietesh

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Re: The Rollie Tesh Analysis Thread.
Posted: May 5, 2010, 8:45 PM

zoeyk,

Right, looks nice and clean.

4) ... N11 clearly doesn't work, and the whole defense is suspicious.

That clump of four stones, however, is an interesting formation. If only the right position for it can be found.

Rollie

(PS - Given a time control of 30 min. or so, with the knowledge that you guys now have, how the heck does a P2 player ever win against a strong player anymore?)

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