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pr0sper0

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Registered: Sep 29, 2021
From: Brunswick, OHIO
Age: 34
Has anyone beat the program on level 1 yet?
Posted: Oct 9, 2021, 1:44 AM

I was just informed recently that level 1 is the hardest and of course I've been playing it on level 1 thinking it was the easiest and level 12 the hardest. Has anyone beat it on this level? If so can you post a game or at least an annotation of a game. It has perfect play for the most part it seems. I lose like 10 moves in. There has to be a way.



watsu

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Re: Has anyone beat the program on level 1 yet?
Posted: Oct 9, 2021, 2:44 AM

Level one doesn't seem very strong to me, I suspect you may have been misinformed.

1. K10 L9
2. N12 J9
3. M9 L7
4. L10 M10
5. K8 J10
6. N11 J8
7. J7 L9
8. H6 J11
9. J12 K10
10. F4 G5
11. M8 H12
12. G13 M10
13. L10 M7
14. H10 N7
15. O7 M8
16. K10 M9
17. M11 M6

1. K10 L9
2. K7 L7
3. L8 M9
4. K9 J6
5. N9 K11
6. K8 M9
7. K7 K6
8. H6 L10
9. L6 K6
10. N8 J12
11. H13 N7
12. N10 M7
13. N11 N12
14. M8 O10
15. M8 O8
16. J5 K6
17. L8 J6
18. L8 J10

I don't want to play non tournament rules games. If you take one of my unrated invites, play tourney
pr0sper0

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From: Brunswick, OHIO
Age: 34
Re: Has anyone beat the program on level 1 yet?
Posted: Oct 9, 2021, 3:25 AM

Okay thank you for the insight. I just finished a game. Analysis would be appreciated if possible. Also if level one is easy then what are the other levels like in comparison? * NOTE... I did see that you beat it in two less moves than myself so I must have been making mistakes right?

Here is my game: I am first to move.

1. K10 K9
2. K14 M7
3. M12 L8
4. J10 O5
5. N6 L10
6. J8 H10
7. M11 K9
8. J10 M10
9. J9 J7
10. J12 J11
11. K12 M13
12. G9 J11
13. H12 L12
14. G12 F12
15. K13 K11
16. K15 K16
17. H11 L11
18. G10 F9
19. L14

Fairly sure this was transcribed correctly and I am sure there is a way to fast track this using some code etc...

watsu

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Re: Has anyone beat the program on level 1 yet?
Posted: Oct 9, 2021, 5:17 AM

Well, your second move is pretty weak; N10, O10 (or G10, F10) or K7 are all stronger options. The higher levels search further, so are generally harder and slower. The program uses weak openings along with strong ones, so it's not impossible to beat it if it opens weakly. Generally, most Pente games are over after the first 3-5 moves by player 1 and it's just a matter of playing them out. As to winning more quickly, some games can be needlessly prolonged by extensions when they're clearly over and some lines naturally end up taking more moves to reach a win than others, so don't worry too much about winning in the fewest possible moves.

I don't want to play non tournament rules games. If you take one of my unrated invites, play tourney
valleyboy

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Age: 56
Re: Has anyone beat the program on level 1 yet?
Posted: Oct 19, 2021, 2:28 AM

Good of you to let him down so easy, Watsu...

zoeyk

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Re: Has anyone beat the program on level 1 yet?
Posted: Oct 21, 2021, 11:27 PM

not sure of level 1. but at one time i had a move file of 30 ways to beat P1 on level 8. I'll add that the AI can struggle to see a potential post 3 shape. especially diagonal.

post 3 would be "stone space stone space stone". x_x_x

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