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owen_

Posts: 43
Registered: Dec 1, 2022
Age: 45
gomoku tournament issue
Posted: Mar 14, 2025, 1:47 PM

Hi all.
As you know, gomoku is solved long ago. For now, it's not an issue for a strong renju or gomoku player to win a game being first without opening rules applied. It's like 35 or 37 moves needed, not a lot (18th move on this server). There is a lot of players in the world who are able to win 95%+ of games playing first.

The problem is, when two such players meet in the tournament, they will play infinitely.

As to me, I never play surewin openings here. But most of players here does. And if I see a surewin played vs me in the tournament, maybe I will play surewin too. And eventually we will have an infinite gomoku tournament =(


mumix

Posts: 48
Registered: Jul 11, 2020
Re: gomoku tournament issue
Posted: Mar 14, 2025, 3:26 PM

Same in pente. Still remember the tournament i won took 1.5 years to finish, and the finals took 9 sets before karlw finally made a mistake.

titok

Posts: 19
Registered: Feb 26, 2021
Re: gomoku tournament issue
Posted: Mar 17, 2025, 9:08 PM

Do you have surewin memorised or do you work it out from first principles each time?

owen_

Posts: 43
Registered: Dec 1, 2022
Age: 45
Re: gomoku tournament issue
Posted: Mar 18, 2025, 4:29 PM

When you reach certain playing level, you don't need to memorize such variants, you understand them since in most variants the attack is pretty obvious. I think all gomoku players with rating 2300+ ( https://gomokurating.renju.net/rating_all.html ) as well as all renju players with rating 2300+ ( https://rating.renju.net/rating_all.html ) will hit 95% winrate easily.

Also I've written a book on renju opening theory quite a while ago, so I do know/memorized a lot as well. But it is not about surewins mostly but about playable, equal variants.

growlingma

Posts: 6
Registered: Dec 13, 2023
Re: gomoku tournament issue
Posted: Mar 22, 2025, 6:09 AM

Hi Owen.
When I first played against you, I didn't know much about the game or surewin advantage. Maybe some of your opponents don't know either. I'm sure those that join a tournament would, but casual players maybe not.
I'm interested in reading your book. I'm sure others here also would love to, too.
How can I get a copy or link

owen_

Posts: 43
Registered: Dec 1, 2022
Age: 45
Re: gomoku tournament issue
Posted: Mar 26, 2025, 11:42 PM

I have some paper ones in English. But don't know how to send it =) Feel free to PM me, we can try to arrange it.

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