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Tournament on Dweebos's site! part I
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Apr 7, 2001, 3:05 AM
There will be a tournament on Dweebo's site (www.pente.org) starting Friday April 27. Email me (msmammel@s...) ASAP if you'd like to play. Everyone should!
HEre's how it works:
Rules for Pente Tournament at Dweebo's Stone Games - Double Elimination Tournament
Referee: Mark Mammel Co-Directors: Joe King and happy
The elimination method will use two brackets. A player losing a match will fall from bracket one to bracket two and then upon a second loss of match, from bracket two to elimination as explained below. At the start, all players will be placed into bracket #1 in random order. In each round, each pair of players (#1 vs #2, #3 vs #4 etc) will play each other in a match. If there are an odd number of players in the bracket, the last player does not play that round, but will be moved to the front of the list for the next round. After each round, all players from bracket #1 who lost their match will be moved to bracket #2 in the same order as they were in bracket #1, but after any players already in bracket #2. After each round, all players from bracket #2 who lost their match will be eliminated (having lost twice). The championship round will consist of the winner of bracket #1 vs. the winner of bracket #2.
A match will consist of two games, each player moving first in one game. If the result is a tie, another two games are played, and then a third pair if necessary. If all three matches are tied, the result is a draw and neither player is eliminated. (If both players agree, they may continue to play matches until a result is determined) Two players who have tied will remain in their bracket, but the one who was listed after the other in the list will be moved to the top or bottom of the list, whichever is further away, to lessen the chances of a rematch.
The time limit of every game will be 15 minutes for each player.
You do NOT have to play at a standard tournament time, these are just some times that many people may congregate to play and watch.
The time period to play matches in each round will be a period of 10 days, starting on a Friday and ending on a Sunday. You must arrange with your assigned opponent a time to meet and play your match. Be sure to indicate in correspondence, what time zone you are in when discussing times to meet. Players from different countries may wish to express times in GMT. A player who is not able to meet at any time during the match period will forfeit. If two players are unable to agree on a suitable meeting time by the beginning of the match period they must email me - I will assign two different standard times and days for the match to be held. If the players can't agree to either, I will assign one more standard time, either player not able to make it will forfeit.
You can send messages to your opponent from Dweebo's site. Note: your real email address will be visible to the recipient of your email. If you for some reason do not want your opponent to know your email address, it is possible to send messages to me to be forwarded ( but I dont want to try to handle lots of messages!)
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Tournament on Dweebos's site! part II
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Apr 7, 2001, 3:06 AM
When a game is finished, BOTH players should email the game history to themselves from Dweebo's site (Hit the email history button before starting a new game). When a winner is determined, the winner should email ALL games of the match to the referee. Do not panic if you forget to email the history, if both players agree to the winner that is OK. I can recover all games from Dweebos site myself if necessary. (Do not attempt to alter game histories, I will recover the original version from DSG if there is a discrepancy). I, mmammel, am the referee, all disputes should be sent to me. But I will be playing also, any disputes against me should be sent to the two co-directors: Joe King and happy. Dweebo will NOT be a referee, do NOT send him questions or disputes, he is busy enough working on his site.
Rules of Conduct:
1. Time limit of each game is 15 minutes per player. If a player becomes disconnected or leaves, that player has five minutes to rejoin the game or will forfeit. 2. No player may enter under two or more userids. 3. No assistance from any other person is permitted during the game. 4. No assistance from any computer AI is permitted. 5. No assistance from ANY notes, opening books, game transcripts, or databases is permitted. (#3, 4, 5 are not possible to enforce - I cannot see what you are doing where you are - each player must follow these rules under the honor system!) 6. Anyone is free to watch games in progress BUT do not make ANY comments during a tournament game in progress. At the COMPLETION of the game you may make polite comments if you wish, including ideas for different moves 7. At the completion of a game, both players should hit Email History before starting another game or leaving. Both players then should have the opportunity to review the game before starting another. 8. The use of the UNDO request is permitted, but your opponent is NEVER obligated to accept any undo request even if you accidentally dropped a stone in an obviously erroneous place (such as the edge of the board). In a tournament, any mistake, even a slip of the hand (or mouse) is part of the game. 9. All disputes will be brought to the attention of the referee immediately. 10. Any player showing improper conduct and/or poor sportsmanship may be dropped from the tournament at the discretion of the referee and directors.
To signup for the tournament, send an email to msmammel@s... and include your real name, country, and userid on DSG.
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>What happens if your computer crashes? Do you forfeit the match?
If you are in the middle of a game, and you are disconnected, and cannot get back to the table within five minutes, you will lose the game. You do not automatically forfeit the second game if not yet played, but would have to reschedule it if you cannot get back within a reasonable time.
By the way, the deadline for signing up is April 20.
Mark
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Pente.org tourney!
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Apr 13, 2001, 9:19 PM
I played at Dweebo's last night and no one knew about the tournament! I guess they come in through the play page and don't see Dweebo's message at the home page? Spread the word when you are playing there. This is the first internet real time tournament in the history of the game! Don't forget that the longest journey began with a single step! Happy holiday all! Joe
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Bugs and Tournament on Dweebos's site
Posted:
Apr 16, 2001, 3:23 AM
Hi Mark!
What happens if you suffer from a dweebo bug in the middle of a game in the tournament?
These are the bugs I've recently experienced:
1. My timer is running when it's my opponent's turn and vice versa.
2. You get kicked off, but your timer keeps running, which means that sometimes when you eventually return you have almost no time left, or even worse have run out of time and lost the game.
3. My opponent gets kicked off when there is less than 5 minutes left but his timer keeps running. When it finally reaches 0.00 it just stops and the java script does not realize that he has run out of time. Nothing at all happens. When I try to cancel the game I'm told I can't do that. If I try to leave the table I'm told that I will forfeit my game if I exit. Kind of a Catch 22.
4. Once, after the above had happened, to my amazement I was told I had forfeited a game vs. XXX. I had never met that player! However, I discovered later XXX was spooking on an adjacent table.
5. If White runs out of time, there is a great risk that when you start the next game, White's timer will suddenly drop to almost nothing. (The trick to prevent this, is to reset time twice.)
If something like this happens or you meet some other nasty bug - can you cancel a game in the tournament?
Best regards,
Arne Blom
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Re: Questions about tourney at Dweebo's
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Apr 16, 2001, 7:17 AM
Arne, Good questions all! I doubt that anyone would want to win because of a bug. It should be great fun and it is 1st real time net pente tourney in the history of mankind! Spread the word about it! I'm sure Mark will respond in detail but I bet that games with bugs can be cancelled. Joe
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Re: Bugs and Tournament on Dweebos's sit
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Apr 16, 2001, 7:27 AM
>What happens if you suffer from a dweebo bug in the middle of a game in the tournament?
That's a tough question! I see there are plenty of bothersome bugs that could creep into a tournament game. In general, if early in the game, if either player notices a bug such as the timer is incorrect, or the stones are misaligned, the game should be cancelled and restarted.
If you are disconnected/kicked off, it is basically your responsibility to reconnect and continue, even if it wasn't your fault that you were disconnected. I guess that is a little harsh, but we can't allow people to disconnect and reappear anytime... If you have any disconnect problem and return, and your timer is 0 or low, you can appeal to your opponent to replay the game, but your opponent is not obligated to accept. Try to work out a fair agreement with your opponent if anything unexpected occurs, if you cannot agree, then send the appeal to me and I will try to make a fair decision.
If you are unable to cancel a game where your opponent has disconnected and the timer has run out, just cancel/forfeit/exit the game however you can, and replay it. You will not be assigned a loss if you have to forfeit a game because your opponent disconnected.
Remember, you will report the results and email the game histories to me, so if there are restarts/undos/cancelled games, that doesn't really matter, just send the official games to me, along with any disputes.
MM
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