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rainwolf

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King of the Hill rules
Posted: Nov 10, 2016, 9:53 AM

There are 2 aspects of the current KotH rules that have caused some friction. The first is no empty steps, and the 2nd is no punishment for declining an invitation.

I introduced KotH as an alternative to the leaderboards/rankings, which are dominated by the strongest players by definition. One of the properties I want to maintain is to level the playing field a little so that it doesn't have to be dominated by the strongest players and that other players feel they have a shot at the crown. Allowing empty steps, even if I limit that to just one, and making players go down a step for declining an invitation are rules that tip the advantage towards the strongest players.

Granted, I could limit the punishment to scenarios where the declining player is the higher ranked player, and only in cases where the days-per-move is sufficiently high. But I dislike a complexity of rules and rules like that don't help.

For these reasons I'm inclined to keep the rules as they are but I wonder if I'm missing something, and if so, do let me/us know here.


madmike

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Registered: May 27, 2014
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Re: King of the Hill rules
Posted: Nov 16, 2016, 10:08 AM

I'm all for keeping it simple, but it does suck if you challenge the KOTH and get declined.

snapding

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Registered: Mar 23, 2004
From: Michigan
Age: 41
Re: King of the Hill rules
Posted: Nov 17, 2016, 2:30 PM

I am inclined to agree with madmike on this. It doesn't bother me in the slightest if someone declines my invite to play on any step. Except when that person has the crown. The crown should have to be defended. It is not easy to keep and shouldn't be. That is part of the fun. I don't think a penalty for declining an invitation is needed. You should be able to play whom ever you like, until you get the crown. My two cents.

rainwolf

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Re: King of the Hill rules
Posted: Nov 22, 2016, 11:23 AM

I have altered the rules a bit, if the timeout is 5 days or more, then declining an invitation is punished by lowering a step if the invitee is king of that hill, or, if the invitee's rating is higher than the challenger's rating.

There's also no reward for the challenger if their invitation got declined.

mikaelh

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Registered: Nov 24, 2016
From: Sweden
Re: King of the Hill rules
Posted: Aug 22, 2024, 5:44 PM

In the Swap2-Keryo Hill we are only two participants. Since no other ever have taken part we are both sharing the position as Top of the Hill. My opponent has never played a singel game of Swap2-Keryo Hill at this site and keep on turning down every invitation to play a game. How can status quo be avoided?

watsu

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Re: King of the Hill rules
Posted: Aug 23, 2024, 3:09 PM

One soluion might be to have tournament games also be KotH games. Another might be to seek out active DK or swap2 keryo players on this or other sites and encourage them to participate in the hill. Since it's a new and not much playedvariant on this site (or frankly any site) getting at least a temporary resolution will likely involve recruiting players to the hill unless the first idea is adopted.

Retired from TB Pente, but still playing live games & exploring variants like D, poof and boat
titok

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Registered: Feb 26, 2021
Re: King of the Hill rules
Posted: Aug 25, 2024, 8:15 AM

Another thing that causes some friction is that the king of the hill can just ignore the invitation forever.

sonjax

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Registered: Jun 11, 2024
From: Vienna/ Austria
Re: King of the Hill rules
Posted: Aug 31, 2024, 2:36 PM

so I am happy that you have asked me to play there.
What a little Hill, when there are so few players . Lol
Let us find some others )

mikaelh

Posts: 42
Registered: Nov 24, 2016
From: Sweden
Re: King of the Hill rules
Posted: Sep 1, 2024, 6:41 AM

Well sonjax, I followed watsus recommendation above to recruit players to the hill. To invite others is a wonderful idea!
If you check out the stairs you will find out that most hills has less than 10 attendants:
https://pente.org/gameServer/stairs.jsp

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