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rainwolf

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tournament format preferences
Posted: Aug 2, 2025, 10:05 AM

Hi all,
this is an RFC, from a time long ago when the internet was still being built on those.

What are the preferred/suitable formats for
a) Pente Masters
b) Pente Amateurs
c) Pente Open
d) more popular variants/other games
e) less popular variants/other games

Bear in mind that I'll also try to use this for tournament creation automation as well, so that the ones that are quickly over don't have to wait a long time for the longer ones.


madmike

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Re: tournament format preferences
Posted: Aug 6, 2025, 2:32 PM

Maybe a rotating system. No same format twice in a row.

mikaelh

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Re: tournament format preferences
Posted: Aug 11, 2025, 11:33 AM

When it comes to a, b and c I have no opinion.
Regarding other games I prefer Double-Elimination.

ed209uardo

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Re: tournament format preferences
Posted: Aug 14, 2025, 2:40 AM

I like madmike's idea of rotating. A and B rotated with C. I guess between D and E, D makes more sense.

Trying to focus on G-Pente and Boat-Pente for now
rainwolf

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Re: tournament format preferences
Posted: Aug 14, 2025, 12:43 PM

a and b are already rotated with C. Rotating formats I can do, but first will be automagic tournament restarting.

Before rotating came up, I was asking about the ideal or better format for each of the tournament types. A, B, and C are more polular than the rest, and single elimination wouldn't do them justice, at least double elimination for the pente amateurs, but I was wondering if there's a strong preference for either swiss or round-robin for the open and masters, or even amateurs.

madmike

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Re: tournament format preferences
Posted: Aug 14, 2025, 4:43 PM

Maybe I prefer the Swiss, but by a small margin.

From Google AI,

In Swiss tournaments and Round Robin tournaments, participants compete against each other, but the key difference lies in the number of matches played. In a Round Robin, every participant plays every other participant, while in a Swiss system, participants are paired based on their performance in previous rounds, ensuring they play opponents with similar records, but not necessarily everyone.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Round Robin:
Every participant plays every other participant.
Suitable for smaller groups where this is feasible.
Guarantees a clear winner by ensuring everyone plays everyone else.
Can be time-consuming and impractical with a large number of participants.

Swiss System:
Participants are paired based on their win/loss record.
Winners play winners, losers play losers, creating balanced matches.
Suitable for larger groups where playing everyone is not feasible.
Allows for a larger number of participants and fewer rounds compared to Round Robin.
Participants can still win or achieve a high ranking even after losing a match.

In essence:
Round Robin ensures every participant gets to play every other, which can be fair but might be impractical for larger groups.
Swiss tournaments prioritize fairness by pairing similar-skilled opponents, reducing the number of matches needed and making it more suitable for larger events.

rainwolf

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Re: tournament format preferences
Posted: Aug 15, 2025, 6:11 PM

From our own FAQ, and an example of a swiss we held here, as well as a few round-robins:

- swiss is the only format where there's no elimination, and the number of rounds are fixed. Moreover, you get a ranking, which the other formats don't give. But it lets all players play to the end, and possibly be matched more with players of similar skill.
- our round-robin version still has players in brackets and eliminates players until the final bracket.

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