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Re: Stat padding
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Jun 7, 2008, 6:07 AM
well,..i'll finally agree with mike on something lol. you know i think many people lose interest in a book if there isn't drama with in the first 10 pages, so i hear. i think people find reading the forums much more entertaining when we give em a good drama to watch unfold. and yes,..there is nothing wrong with disagreeing on things,..theres usually at least 2 perspectives to every thing. world peace is awesome, but what would the world be like with out an expressed diversity of views. how ever there are different kinds of arguments. some are calm, open minded, and respective. and some are agressive, and hostile leaving a bad taste in peoples mouths. but not limited to. just a thought.
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Stat padding
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Jun 26, 2008, 12:12 AM
ok, I'm sober. I turned up out of the blue the other night for a game. I haven't been playing here much this year.
Zoey, you invited me to play, and when I suggested rated you refused. I thought ok (not quite understanding why in my beautiful inebriated state).. then you complained when I wouldn't move according to tourney rules.. anyway, I left politely ....
after reading some of the posts in this thread I'm a slight bit clearer now in understanding why you wouldn't play rated.
Whatever your logic, or whatever your own rationale, in justifying your refusal to play us lowly peasants in a rated game - cos we're in the wrong colour bracket!! - jeez louise!!! LOL - it's kind of incredulous. your stance to me comes across as pure snobbery. That's how it comes across. Or perhaps a bit power-trippy... it's quite unwelcoming anyway. I struggle to think of the right words here.. perhaps it seems unnecessarily... not sure of the words.. regimental or something.. what's the opposite of fun/joy?
I agree with the point someone made that you have nothing to worry about in losing points to lower rated players if you're as good as your rating is suggesting.
OK nuff said. just thought I'd throw my tuppenceworth into the kitty. for me it's not about arguing against your logic. it's more about me expressing how you come across with this "I'm red, you're blue, so I wont' play you rated" attitude - regardless of how politely you say it to someone, it stinks.
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Re: Stat padding
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Jun 26, 2008, 10:01 AM
well,..its not really my problem how you decide it comes across. i don't mean it as snobbery. and from reading what you wrote either A- you didn't really read everything i said/and or understand it, or B- your too biased to make a neutral opinion on the matter. or both.
mmark- ok, I'm sober. I turned up out of the blue the other night for a game. I haven't been playing here much this year.
Zoey, you invited me to play, and when I suggested rated you refused. I thought ok (not quite understanding why in my beautiful inebriated state).. then you complained when I wouldn't move according to tourney rules.. anyway, I left politely ....
zoeyk- tourney rules? i recall i proposed it by requesting. i invited you to a unrated game, you could had declined or agreed, and ask for rated as a proposal. (its not like i went to your table and asked to turn rated off) if declined, then no problem. if agreed then no problem. if proposing to play something other then what i invited you to, and i decline, then your at a juncture of choice. some choices as follows;
Positive responses- 1- agree to the terms with out complaint. 2- decline the terms with out complaint. 3- you can ask me about information in regards to why i won't play rated at that moment, or what would it take for me to play rated ext..., and if i decline to answer for personal reasons, then you are with out complaint of me with holding an answer. 4-ask if there is another game that i would be willing to play rated. if there isn't one, then with out complaint.
Negative responses- 1- agree to the terms, but with complaint(s),(privately, or publicly)
2- decline the terms with complaint(s),(privately, or publicly)
3- you can ask me about information in regards to why i won't play rated at that moment, or what would it take for me to play rated ext... (but keep in mind i have the right to decline answering), and if i decline to answer for personal reasons, then you are with complaint(s) of me with holding an answer,(privately, or publicly)
4-ask if there is another game that i would be willing to play rated. if there isn't one, then with complaint(s),(privately, or publicly) (keep in mind i have the right to decline answering)
mmark- after reading some of the posts in this thread I'm a slight bit clearer now in understanding why you wouldn't play rated.
zoeyk- (doubt it)
mmark- Whatever your logic, or whatever your own rationale, in justifying your refusal to play us "lowly peasants" in a rated game - cos we're in the wrong colour bracket!!
zoeyk- lowly peasants? when did i say something like that?
mmark- jeez louise!!! LOL - it's kind of incredulous. your stance to me comes across as pure snobbery. That's how it comes across. Or perhaps a bit power-trippy... it's quite unwelcoming anyway. I struggle to think of the right words here.. perhaps it seems unnecessarily... not sure of the words.. regimental or something.. what's the opposite of fun/joy?
zoeyk- pure snobbery? umm no i don't look down on people because they have lower ranks. i have friends at this site that are blue and green ext..
a bit power-trippy? power yes, the power to choose if i play rated or not. (we all have that power, and we all exercise one of those choices) dweebo allows the unrated choice as a right to all, if you guys don't like that this choice exists, then petition it to him. i didn't decide the sites rights of choice for us all. i'm not the sites complaint box, thanks.
regimental? To form into a regiment/military unit. (um not this one) To put into systematic order; systematize. (sounds good) To subject to uniformity and rigid order. (to subject sounds kinda forceful, i don't force my ways of systematizing on people)
what's the opposite of fun/joy? is it boredom lol? im bored sometimes when i play, but most of the time im having fun, and so do the people that play me. well some people might get mad if they aren't winning, but most players are good about that. we all have our hot streak moments, and our bad days.
mmark- I agree with the point someone made that you have nothing to worry about in losing points to lower rated players if you're as good as your rating is suggesting.
zoeyk- i fully disagree, but i'm not concerned with you believing in that, and playing by those standards. i think Player 2 is weak. some blues beat reds alot when reds are player 2. just depends on the blue player. the point trade is in no way fare. i disagree with our current rating system. my playing unrated is a disagreance of the rating system's unbalanced nature. the glass ceiling affect detours me.
mmark- OK nuff said. just thought I'd throw my tuppenceworth into the kitty. for me it's not about arguing against your logic. it's more about me expressing how you come across with this "I'm red, you're blue, so I wont' play you rated" attitude - regardless of how politely you say it to someone, it stinks.
zoeyk- yea for you its not about Logic. for you its about projecting hurt feelings at someone because of your belief about the unrated allowance right that the person chooses to excersize.
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Personally, I agree with Zoeyk on this issue. Choosing when and with whom to play rated games is a strategic choice for those who wish to better their ratings. The ceiling on the top players due to the P1 advantage is real, and once players reach a certain level of skill they can win against players who are actually considerably better than they are due to this advantage. It's all very well for players who aren't concerned with their ratings or aren't rated that high to complain because so and so won't play rated "whenever I want", but if the shoe were on the other foot and they had an 1800-2000 ranking that they'd built up over the course of a year or so of strategic play and learning I would guess that they would be equally choosy. I know I would abstain from playing rated games except when I felt I was at my best- mentally sharp and prepared- if I had a rating which I felt was worthy of protecting. And yes, I would also be leery of playing rated games against lower rated players due to the P1 advantage. Toss an appropriately weighted doubling cube into the mix (or make the rated game G or D Pente) and my feelings would shift. The rating ceiling and P1 advantage have been problems the game has faced for years now and although there have been quite a few proposals and variants suggested to mitigate or improve the situation so far there's no single clear (sorry Up2ng and Richardiii) best solution to the issue which everyone is willing to go along with. Which is one of the reasons why we have so many different options as to what we can play here at DSG. Though I'm still waiting for the (G not really necessary here because of D)D-poof-keryo-boat and G-poof-keryo-boat to show up as a playable options.
Message was edited by: watsu at Jun 26, 2008 10:37 AM
Retired from TB Pente, but still playing live games & exploring variants like D, poof and boat
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Re: Stat padding
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Jun 27, 2008, 7:25 PM
I think every player has the right to choose way of his opponent. As for me I 'd like to play strong opponents, but not of keeping rating , but because it is interesting to play strong opponent, good game instead easy win against weak player. I am not interesting to have stupid 6000 games instead of 20 interesting games. I have no time to play many hours at this server , I have a lot in real life what I have to do. I wonder why zoeyk has so much time for playing, but it is his choice and he is teaching other players, may be he has not better possibilities or like that better.
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Re: Stat-Padding
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Jun 30, 2008, 1:48 AM
i was thinking about stat-padding and if u are gonna do it u could do it alsoif there wasd no rating change unless a set was played.........for example... u come to my table n sit 1st seat then promptly lose the 1st game to black and decide not play the 2nd game because it might adversely affect ur (holy)rating. one can cheat under any system, it seems
