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Re: Gladiator Pente ...
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Jan 15, 2010, 12:13 AM
For the record, I didn't talk to Zoey about naming this format after him. And it only seemed appropriate if he retired, which he has not (thankfully). Nor has he made a case for this format to be named after him in this thread, or anywhere else for that matter.
So, are there any more suggestions for an appropriate name? I'm still thinking Gladiator Pente.
As far as organized competition formats, I will leave that to those who would formally compete. My question was more rhetorical.
To me, the fun of GP is having a lot of people in one room, each wanting a shot at the current winner. There is no final "winner" so to speak; just a tired gladiator who's only reward for winning, is a chance keep on winning. When that player is defeated, they are forgotten.
When its all in the same room, its fun to hear what everyone else has to say, on topic or off. People like OMG, Zoey, et.al. say some funny schidt. The table-host can make their own rules. But if I'm hosting a GP table, shy of personal insults, there wont be any restrictions on anyone commenting on the current game either!!! Moves can be openly cheered, mocked, and suggested; even if it's meant to intentionally mislead a current player. If it were up to me, I'd activate the "reach-through" feature and make it a pente food-fight too. Of course, all in a spirit of good natured fun. So, I wouldn't be interested in a format that seperates people from the maddhouse into other tables. Plus, having the pressure of all eyes on you is big part of the challenge.
Sounds like Gaylen's idea is still the best so far, even if its not easy to do. Or, at least OMG's suggestion to have a table-title serving notice that there is something other than the standard game of Pente going on. By the way, its a lot easier to host a GP table than I have made it out to be; especially if other people help with keeping track of who will play next.
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Can't we all just get along?????
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Jan 15, 2010, 12:18 AM
oh my what hostilities we have here. very unfortunant that you guys want to take the energy down that path...
well i guess i stand corrected then...NOT
thing is that partica's original post had the "DRIFT" that the format was clearly posted in a 2004 thread and that jack should had read it before posting calling it a new name. i then decided to go see how easy this thread was to find for someone wanting to be double sure before double posting on a subject. just trying to help jack make sure whether or not he had violated one of the "proposed guidelines" of "dont revisit a topic by double thread creating, check to see if the subject is already in a thread first".
low and behold not so easy to find,.. at all..
Now FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, CUS U AINT READING ME...
"I NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO CALL IT ZK'S RULE" "I NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN THE FIRST HUMAN EVER TO HAVE INVENTED IT" "I NEVER ASKED JACK OR ANY ONE TO POST NAMING IT AFTER ME" "AND I REALLY DONT CARE IF IT IS NAMED AFTER ME OR VITALS OR WHAT EVER" "AND I CERTAINLY DONT CARE IF SOMEONE ELSE THOUGHT OF IT FIRST, I JUST ENJOY PLAYING THE FORMAT STYLE CUS EVERY ONE HAS MORE FUN LIKE THAT WE'VE NOTICED"
"and i double,..nay,.. i tripple dog dare you to find where i wrote any thing contradicting any of those capped statements". you wont, know why? cus i didnt, thats why.
i been playing pente 16 years, since i was 15, how you know i didnt use the format back in the day? AS A MATTER OF FACT I DID USE THIS FORMAT O.T.B. YEARS BEFORE COMING TO THIS SITE! pretty presumptuous to come in here barking at jack and me about Vital's credit being owed. and saying "it is in the forums in 2004 LMBO" like you just slapped supporting evidence down on the table. besides, i have given my imaginary copywrite of the format to jack, and hes chosen to rename it to Gladiator Pente, so if Vitals wants the copywrite back he'll need to come in here and ask jack for it back. at which point they can negotiate about it.
and its funny tho, you claim to have forum evidence but refuse to come forth with it, you expect me to trust your recollection of 6 years ago, and it aint like im callin you a lair, but what about this, what if it was the same format except that the winner held P1 instead of P2, i mean after 6 years its easy to over look a small detail like that. i mean is your memory 100% infallible? what was that you said before about you having mortal flaw? and as far as Erik jumpin on the band wagon he harbors ulterior motive to do so regardless of what he does or does not recall with in a 100% accuracy, so his seconding it means about zero to me.
Now if Vitals comes in here saying something then thats a different bag of beans all together.
and honestly, im willing to bet both me and Vitals equally just dont care one way or the other about getting credit on such silly topic. you both need to get off your high horse conquest of fighting for imaginary justice for Vitals.
if you gots any questions you can talk to my lawyer...
PS. my apology was sincere, how ever after you and E's smug posts since then, i here by retract its relevance for present times, starting from the smug posts moving forward.
Message was edited by: zoeyk at Jan 14, 2010 6:39 PM
Message was edited by: zoeyk at Jan 14, 2010 7:00 PM
Scire hostis animum - Intelligere ludum - Nosce te ipsum - Prima moventur conciliat - Nolite errare
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Re: Can't we all just get along?????
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Jan 15, 2010, 1:25 AM
As for your "record", I never said you said/did those things.
You took the energy down this path(as you put it).
You sure do like to put words in peoples mouths, so to speak, and twist things to suit your needs.
My original post that started this rabbit hole: "Just so ya knows, vitals was doing this format like 5-6 years ago. LMBO Like when people used to create speednames for the purpose of playing in the PenteAddicts Speed League! Its in the forums way back when like 04 or so..."
I never barked. I even laughed and smiled. Never said Jack violated a guideline. I posted information that disagreed with Jacks post crediting you for creating the format here at pente.org. I was responding to Jack, not You. You took it badly. Not my issue.
I know what I know and am okay with it. I don't care what Jack calls the format you gave him the imaginary copyright to. Thanks for the laughter on that one. LMBO
I would appreciate it if you didn't twist things to suit your needs though. This thread should have never even gone this way. You are making this bigger than it needs to be.
My intent was to point out that it was done previous to you joining this site. Big deal. Really not worth all this energy. I see no honor in getting credit for something you did not do. Nothing more than that.
I am done discussing any thing with you because you take things and twist them into something else for your own purpose. Enjoy your tirade!
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Re: Gladiator Pente ...
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Jan 15, 2010, 1:40 AM
It keeps coming up, this thing about laughing your butt off. Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like the whole thing doesn't come off completely (which would not be good). So hopefully, its just the parts that someone would want to fall off.
Has this been explored? I mean, is there a book about laughing your butt off? If not, that could become the next new weight-loss fad. Instead of the Susan Summers Butt-Master, there could be a line of DVD?s: Laughing my butt off!!! Someone could get rich!!!
Probably should have started a whole new thread. Of course, only after doing the proper amount of research. Sorry.
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Re: zk's rule* ... to be renamed, Gladiator Pente
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Jan 15, 2010, 2:09 AM
First of all, I know that many of us played speed pente this way a long time ago here at this site. It may have even been before 2004 since 2004 was the year of the live OTB tourney in Vegas and the speed league was around before that I'm pretty sure.
As Zoey was asking, we also did play where the winner stays in the P1 seat -- but I'm fairly certain it was done both ways depending on who started the table and what they wanted to do or whatever.
I'm not sure if Vitals started this method. If I had to guess this was happening even before HE was frequenting this site.
I also do not remember ever seeing a post in the forums about this specifically since really no post or thread is necessary -- it's just a casual way that people felt like playing to rotate people into the game at one table quickly. It just sort of happened occasionally -- it wasn't something that required a lot of planning or advertising.
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The admins here have no interest in overusing or abusing admin privilages by nitpicking everything in the forums and editing, deleting or otherwise censoring every little thing that goes on here. Nor should it be necessary to repremand players, impose punishments, lock user accounts and so on.
Don't tempt us.
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Here are some suggestions for all users here at Pente.org:
-- Do NOT snipe at each other in the forums. -- Do NOT be overly sensitive to what goes on in the forums. -- Try to actually have some fun here.
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Tales from the Coliseum ...
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Jan 16, 2010, 2:13 AM
We all know how much love OMG and Zoeyk have for each other. And someone could almost bet a month's rent on Zoeyk if he's player-1 in rated Boat-Pente versus anyone. Never the less, OMG is one of the few who doesn't automatically believe that Zoeyk is going to beat him. Add speed into the mix and anyone can make a mistake, and OMG is just the guy to find it. Even if it doesn't happen very often, people like to see someone get a win against a top player. These two brilliant people are contentious and its fun.
I understand and agree that kids might read this, so our content should be mature in the proper sense of the word. But that's a slippery slope. Who defines mature? Some believe that's a stupid question, because its obvious to them. That's yet another point of view; just like an administrator having the opinion that its easier to win at Pente as player-2. They have every right to that point of view. But I don't agree with it, and it also makes me wonder if a person with that point of view would agree with me on what is mature, or not.
Zoeyk introduced me to this format and was the only one doing it for a while. At the time of this original thread's post, he had every intention of retiring. I made a suggestion that this format be called "zk's-rule" in his honor; but as detailed above, that suggestion has now been changed to Gladiator Pente (GP). I like calling it Gladiator better, which might not have happened without someone else's input.
An administrator, pointed out that they had already played this GP format years before, which is informative. Cool, we don't think of it as playing Gary's Game (its Pente), so lets call this format something other than "zk's-rule". Fine, I get that part; but there was something about it that was so funny that all (or at least part) of their butt fell off. I like to laugh at a lot of things, and while I didn't find the LMBO comment particularly offensive, I also didn't see what was so humorous either. Maybe it has something to do with their opinion about how much easier it is to win as player-2. I had no idea, it wouldn't be the first time that something was over my head; so I was just going to let it slide.
But Zoeyk's response to the LMBO comment I did find funny. Still do. From the non-administrator side of the fence, it looks like an administrator thought something was funny, and someone else besides me thought it wasn't. From someone else's point of view, that LMBO comment could easily be interpreted as a snipe at me. Whether it was or not, from that point on, Zoeyk was accused of pimping his own name; when it is clear to anyone (not overly sensitive), that he never asked for any such honor.
Now, another administrator is telling someone (Zoeyk, OMG, and/or me) not to tempt them to censor ... "reprimand players, impose punishments, lock user accounts and so on." Let's see, would that be for sniping? Being overly sensitive? Not staying on topic? From this side of the fence, it looks like it might be time for someone on the other side of the fence to mirror-up. Slippery dang slope I'll tell ya. Thanks in advance for deference and letting Gladiators have at each other as much as possible.
Re: Tales from the Coliseum ...
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Jan 16, 2010, 2:32 AM
lmao cool title here jack btw.....tales from the coliseum... I dunno call me kooky but it appears to me that d's admittedly arbitrary mandate (referring to the fact that for now stuff'll be deleted for any reason the 'admins' see fit) is just absurd. Almost as absurd as the definition of attack up2ng implemented earlier. Compliment that with the 'what has 2 thumbs and ain't particularly famous for bein' skeered of authority types' rule and well....slippery slopes are what Colorado's famous for as m'good Texas friend(s) will attest to. I've always operated on an axiom of talking to, rather than about people for the purpose of getting to the heart of the matter and have more than made myself available to this end for admin's sake in reference to the forums, but alas no interest in anything but small-minded broad-brushing has made itself known to me.....Believe me, I haven't any interest in dragging anyone or anything down, but I don't believe that's what's going on here anyway. Babies and bathwater are whats at stake IMO, but it aren't gonna be me to keep that concern alive as I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm outta pocket here imminently and indefinitely. If anyone's gonna not sit by and let the steamroller of so-called justice roll over a good time then someone else'll hafta fill that void. Seems to me that as it stands tho that admin has pretty much decided that anything I write will summarily be scrutinized and then altered to suit their palletes.....blech. Not in my lifetime. No way, uh-uh, no-how. Sad it strikes me an individual must be the day they can't take a lil' jab at their expense. Frankly when my pals and compadres stop givin' me hell is when I start to worry......that's when I know something's wrong. How can anyone possibly hope to get through this all without a sense of humor? That eludes me.
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Re: Tales from the Coliseum ...
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Jan 16, 2010, 1:28 PM
> I dunno call me kooky but it appears to me that d's > admittedly arbitrary mandate (referring to the fact > that for now stuff'll be deleted for any reason the > 'admins' see fit) is just absurd.
i don't think it is absurd. none of us wants to have to monitor/delete all the crap that goes on here, but in my opinion we have to. i think i stated that it would be this way until the pente.org users come up with what guidelines they want for acceptable forum content, so please contribute your suggestions to that thread if you have any.
it appears to me that you and other players are just testing us to see how much we'll put with. with no clear rules or boundaries i don't much blame you. so all the users of the forums who are tired of this should work extra hard to finish the guidelines so they can be put into place.
Re: Tales from the Coliseum ...
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Jan 16, 2010, 2:21 PM
> it appears to me that you and other players are just > testing us to see how much we'll put with. with no > clear rules or boundaries i don't much blame you. so > all the users of the forums who are tired of this > should work extra hard to finish the guidelines so > they can be put into place.
That'd be a resounding negative Dweebo.....as overtly juvenile as you guys apparently deem me to be, believe it or not I don't spout for the sake of hearing my own voice, testing boundaries or any such pointlessness. The reason for what I said earlier spoke to the stacked nature of the current environment and more than anything was a reply to the bullish nature of a previous post which stated 'don't tempt us'. Authority and duty are one thing, but veiled threats and john wayne type posturing serve only to undermine the integrity of the admin's post. Being who and what I am I called it out for what it is (admittedly without sterilizing my approach.....is sterility and expressionless, clinical banter what you're striving for here though?). Noone likes to hear that they're wrong, but true character will enable an individual or institution of integrity to acquiesce to the truth and grow in alignment with it. Are you really asking for the input of the community as a whole here, or the input of the community minus squirrl here D?
Message was edited by: omgjustdie at Jan 16, 2010 8:21 AM To note that the reason for the placement of this post in this thread is due to the quotation of the post 2 spots above this one.
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