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Stat-Padding
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Mar 13, 2008, 12:10 AM
on 03/12/2008 between 13:41 PDT and 13:48 PDT shaunh86 played sdawg (his own self i think, or a friend of his) 32 games. after the first or second move sdawg resigns game, giving shaunh86 his points. this is stat padding, (cheating) if he was really playing himself, or if a friend of his purposly resigned to help him go up in a false ranking.
Although i suppose it doesnt hurt any one. once he cheats his way to red one of the good players will take it all from him. hes not going to be able to hold a high rating once he plays some real yellows or reds. Its just funny i guess.
~zoeyk
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Re: possible cheater ( shaunh86 -vs- sdawg ) 03/12/2008
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Mar 13, 2008, 6:55 AM
what's weird is that since sdawg's rating is in the 800s, shaunh only gained about 2 points for each win, and he's now at 1300, so while it's certainly strange, I don't think it's that serious.
Re: possible cheater ( shaunh86 -vs- sdawg ) 03/12/2008
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Apr 18, 2008, 11:06 AM
Gilkman lost 21 straight games to gilkbeast. Gilkmans stones are placed at random all over the board, while gilkbeast lays down uncontested five stones in a row. Check out the history I think it speaks for itself.
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Apr 19, 2008, 10:32 AM
I think that gilkman was simply bested by a better opponent.......in this case the better opponent could have been a doughnut or a piece of lint, but in any case the opponent was much wiser, smarter and shrewd than him or your average sack of old tennis shoes and therefore deserves his place in pente's hall o' fame. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Stat padding
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May 30, 2008, 9:45 AM
it seems to me that refusing to play any and all comers in RATED games is also a form of padding. certain players have refused to play certain others in rated games just to hold their (holy) rating and thereby cheating the lesser players of a chance to raise their rating. it seems like cheating to me. how did they get those big ratings anyway????? at least hes playing himself RATED ahd not saying......".I might lose 28 pts" cheating comes in a variety, huh!!
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Re: Stat padding
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May 31, 2008, 10:06 PM
ok... time to talk about this. mike321 is talking about me, because i refuse to play him rated. he was in the 1600's and i was in the 1900's. i know his moves are at a masters level. however the point exchange is not fair.
its like taking 2 heavy weight boxers and claiming one is a light weight and one is a heavy weight. and gambling money on the fight in a 10 to 1 ratio of odds. the betting system would not be fair.
mike321 is a better player than my self. with close to 8,000 games under his belt he is a fierce adversary. for mike to be that skilled and to be (at the time) a 1600 player, makes him someone i would not want to play rated. he said that my 1900 rating wasn't a honest rating. well i say your 1600 rating wasn't a honest rating. so your just the pot calling the kettle black. hes a 1900 type player. i have no idea what he was doing at 1600.
heres how the rated match probably would had gone down; i lose my black game, drop 30 points or so, i win my white game, gain 5 or 10 points. resulting in a negative number, not a tie of points trade for tieing the set. Why would i knowingly want to place that kind of a bet?
what do i look like a point atm machine?
you'll notice that nosovs is not only the highest ranked player, but that he is selective of his opponents. he prefers to only play people with in his bracket, meaning 1900+. people don't challenge him. he only pops in the lobby when he sees someone that "He" wants to challenge. he did play jhs55 recently, but the reason for this is its been slim pickings around here. since 1900 players rarely come on anymore. and if nosovs doesn't play a set for a long time he'll drop off the rankings list as inactive.
i feel players should reserve the right to play within their own bracket for a fair point exchange. or perhaps the next bracket down can be ok, meaning 1900 ~vs~ 1700. but not 2 brackets away, meaning 1600 ~vs~ 1900. also i feel we should be able to choose who and when we play for points. you cant just come to me demanding i hand my points over because you say so.
playing pente rated is like gambling, you need to know when to hold em and when to fold em. also yes before i play a good player i usually study them to look for weaknesses. targeting players is apart of the game. its a strategical side of it that some choose to do. as bonhart would say "pente is all schemes". when ever i beat karl with a black its half luck and half studying him for possible weak spots.
also in addition (and I'm not the only one), sometimes when players are in a tournament they don't play rated because they don't want to give away their new lines that they are planing to use. i think that richardiii does this sometimes.
~zoey
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Re: Stat padding
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May 31, 2008, 10:21 PM
dear zoeyk, how did u get to 1900?? u were given rated games by players of higher ranking u beat them n took their points. now to deny up-and-coming players the same treatment as u got is CHICKENSH*T of the highest ranking. IT IS WHAT IT IS !!
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Re: Stat padding
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May 31, 2008, 10:57 PM
no, first of all, that's their bad to agree to play me. they shouldn't had. and second of all when i was 1600 i actually was 1600, meaning i had a low level of playing skill. and, your not a up coming player mike,...are you kidding me? you've had your 1900 level of skill for some time now. my skill level of play advanced equally along with my rating. yours when at 1600 was far from it. also you'll notice in the last month that i have played someone in the yellow bracket. so i do play the next bracket down. i got 1900 by studying, being selective of my games, and fluctuating up n down until i made it.
_________________________________________________________ aside from that ide like to talk about crabs for a second. yes the kind that you get from the sea and eat.
ever seen a basket of crabs before? a big basket full of them. the crabs are close to the top of the basket. and the fisherman don't put lids on the baskets. why don't they put lids on them? aren't they afraid they will crawl out? no. they rarely make it out. but why?... because every time one tries to make it to the top of the basket another grabs its leg and pulls it back down.
if i was a crab in a basket of crabs. and i made it to the top finally. and the crabs bellow said to me "hey let me grab your leg, put your leg down here". ide be like "hell no". "why would i want to do that?" lol
in addition though mike,..i see that you've made it to yellow. so i will play you a rated set. when I'm ready.
i have ruder things to say to you, but i wont do it through the forums. if i feel the need i'll say it through the private messaging system.
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Re: Stat padding
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Jun 1, 2008, 12:01 AM
Oh almost forgot to address something you said;
mike321 said; "it seems to me that refusing to play any and all comers in RATED games is also a form of padding."
any and all comers mike? including unknown names?
im curious as to what richardiii and karlw think about that statement.
i know that richard refuses to play lower ranked players when he doesn't know who they are.
and i know what karls reaction would be if a unknown player beat him with a black the first game and he didn't know who the player was.
I think your opinions are a little skewed and extreme. perhaps think about rewording it.
and not wanting to play someone is not cheating mike. and trying to prove your odd points by saying; at least hes playing himself RATED ahd not saying......".I might lose 28 pts" cheating comes in a variety, huh!!doesn't make any sense.
that guy didn't lose his points to any one other than his own self,..so he didn't actually lose any thing. i see no relative relation in the 2 situations. so you strike me as confused in your logic.
~zoeyk
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just finished reading entries from general forum...mike is trying to bully you into playing a game with him...it is highly unlikely that he doesn't understand the point system here at pente.org...I can't think of any competitive game,(baseball, hunter jumpers, dressage, tennis) where you play outside of your division...and furthermore...I think mike needs to open a dictionary and review the word "cheating". I have looked at your games zoey. Your points were earned fair and square. Cheating, in my book would be if you were taking advantage of players with lesser ranking than you...and you have not done that! Don't let him bully you into playing a game with him. I am so damn rebellious that if it were me, and there were no one else on earth left to play pente with, I would still refuse to play with mike.
sincerely, jaq
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